Back story, I see grelly in seringale before gzarza shows up and I ask if he has seen Grireson the fg berserker? he says nah shakes his head whatever. So i continue to run around looking for him then gzarza shows. Im still trying to find the giant and i start heading over to the wasteland and run into grelly FIRST in the area just him. I go up into the area where the ghost is and check for the giant and he isn't there but then gzarza is, so I think shoot he's following me so i begin hunt evil on him for reasons i won't disclose. THEN this happens without word from the monk which is horrible way to play a neutral. and his response was <we are getting shiny stuff so that justifies me trying to gank you real quick>. I didn't even get a word from him as curtosy that they were all grouped and he would defend straight attack and attempted murder. Pretty evil for a halfing.
Grelly the Grand Master of Seasons is here.
(White Aura) Gzarza the Holy Shaman is here.
<761hp 753m 250mv> active no opponent no opponent [##########] You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Gzarza!'
Gzarza's flame misses you.
Gzarza's flame DISEMBOWELS you!
Gzarza is in excellent condition.
<715hp 753m 250mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [##########]
c wra
Your heavenly wrath devastates Gzarza!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<715hp 723m 250mv> evasive:58 inferior defensive [##########]
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Grelly!'
[** ] You parry Gzarza's flame.
[** ] Gzarza blocks your attack with his shield.
Grelly's palm strike injures you.
[** ] You parry Grelly's tiger uppercut.
You brace against your armor to perform a two-handed set parry.
[* ] You parry Grelly's lightning kick.
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<699hp 723m 250mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [##########]
Grelly doesn't seem as powerful.
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<708hp 730m 303mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [##########]
Gzarza narrows his eyes.
You feel less righteous.
The white aura around your body fades.
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<708hp 730m 303mv> evasive:59 inferior defensive [##########]
flee
Grelly's tiger uppercut DISEMBOWELS you!
[** ] You parry Grelly's back fist.
Grelly's jump kick DISMEMBERS you!
[***] You parry Gzarza's flame.
Gzarza's flame MASSACRES you!
[* ] Gzarza blocks your attack with his shield.
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<533hp 730m 303mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [##########]
flee
Gzarza narrows his eyes.
Gzarza's flay health MANGLES you!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<440hp 730m 303mv> evasive:59 inferior defensive [##########] You flee from combat!
The frigid wastelands
-x- | You wander through the frigid wastelands. Your breath is a
| | | cloud before you. The cold cuts to the bone. Swirling snow
-x-x- | and wind make it impossible for you to discern any directions.
| | / |
-x-@-x- |
| | | |
-x=x)x |
| | |
|
---------+
[Exits: north east south west]
The white yeti crouches here snarling.
<440hp 730m 297mv> evasive:60 no opponent no opponent [#########=] You aren't fighting anyone.
<440hp 730m 297mv> evasive:60 no opponent no opponent [#########=]
c wo
You lost your concentration.
<440hp 728m 297mv> evasive:58 no opponent no opponent [#########=]
Gzarza flies in.
Grelly climbs in.
<440hp 728m 297mv> evasive:57 no opponent no opponent [#########=]
n
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Gzarza!'
Gzarza's flame MANGLES you!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<346hp 728m 297mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [#########=]
fl
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Grelly!'
You brace against your armor to perform a two-handed set parry.
[* ] You parry Gzarza's flame.
[***] You parry Gzarza's flame.
Your thrust DISEMBOWELS Gzarza!
Grelly's back fist devastates you!
Grelly's dragon punch DISEMBOWELS you!
Grelly's roundhouse kick decimates you!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<243hp 728m 297mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [#########=]
c word
No way! You are still fighting!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<243hp 728m 297mv> evasive:59 inferior defensive [#########=] You flee from combat!
The frigid wastelands
* | You wander through the frigid wastelands. Your breath is
| | | | a cloud before you. The cold cuts to the bone. Swirling
-x-x-x- | snow and wind make it impossible for you to discern any
| | / | directions.
-@-x- |
| | |
-x=x- |
| | |
|
---------+
[Exits: north east south west]
The white yeti crouches here snarling.
<243hp 728m 291mv> evasive:60 no opponent no opponent [#########=] The Quire of the Cathedral of Valour
*-* | This is the longest room in the cathedral, containing the
| | pews where the faithful masses sit in worship. Rows and
* | rows of benches have been laid out, enough to hold several
| | hundred people. Natural light pours in through the stained
T-@-* | glass windows at its sides, supported by soft candlelit
| | | lanterns placed around its walls. The quire is roughly
*-* +-+| ten feet higher than the nave east of here. Light pours
| | | in through an opening in the ceiling.
* + |
---------+
[Exits: east west]
You have become better at communing word of recall!<=====i should master that
Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . i don't think that was autoassist he was trying to kill me Gzarza 0 , 0 , 0 . You are wrong. But suit yourself. Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . ...he himself admits to just trying to assist his groupmate if finishing the kill. thats his words. so again he tried to murder me. Davairus 4 , 0 , 0 . i dont think autoassist is accidental. Its a risk of convenience, its your character and you are accountable for what you do, even if that is because you made triggers or used the provided in-game automation. You cant really walk it back later with "oh it was totally autoassist, my bad".. that's a blatantly ooc excuse for attempted attacks.
[reply to Gzarza]But, that's a valid way to play a neutral.
There are lots of ways to play everything but a neutral is going to be just fine siding with whoever they think eventually going to win the fight. they dont have to just sit out of everything like a referee or something. and they dont have to help the weaker side just because thats "balancing"... neutrals typically will pursue their own interests and that'd include peeling a pally off a groupmate . Next time, just warn the neutral to stop helping.
Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . I had enough anxiety with gzarza poppin up thinking he was following me while looking for the firegiant at that point i didn't care why you were doing what you were doing. It was already unbiased in my favor and i should have just left but seeked out fun for everyone instead. you learned your lesson? Dav said something about neutrals doing whats in their best interest. Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . unbalanced toward me is what i meant sorrry phone autocorrects. Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . In the eyes of a zealot, you are already walking a fine line just claiming to be neutral. Its the "If you're not with us you're against us" moral argument. The interpretation is that neutral amounts to just not giving a fuck about good, or evil, all that matters is the gold and the gear. Runs to winter for shits and giggles with well-established evils would be a perfect example of making one's self useful to the enemy.. in this case even the most passive good align is likely still going to think you are an idiot. Certain good aligns (like a genocidal eradicator paladin) can be expected to address the idiots who help gear up the Legions and create an existential threat to everybody.
[reply to Grelly]The fun part of DnD and its derivatives is making and meeting characters and getting to know them. The alignment system, or any system, has always just been a jumping off point for character building ideas not a system of constraints (except for very specific classes).
Xerties 
0 , 0 , 0 . I dunno, seems pretty great to me. Finally some logboard drama I could not give less of a shit about. Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . Its because its paladins.. they're a stronger class in return for RP being strictly enforced. The RP requirements literally balance the class much more so than the gameplay tradeoffs. So some behaviors should lead to outcast. I think its pretty clear what those absolutes are. but these are "people problems" and the way those will be solved is for players to voice their discontent and then the imm to adjust something. that can all be handled IC mostly, although I guess at some point we would question if the imm is up to the task Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . It was the "pretty evil for a halfling" comment that triggered my drunk alignment police comment not any commentary on the behavior of the paladin. Although I suppose the alignment policing was being thrown that way as well.
[reply to Scrynor]Paeix 1 , 0 , 0 . This is the best comment. Ik I need to train it but just haven't.
[reply to Ashlyn]Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . I wasn't attacking a group or gzarza again I was initiated by then both when grelly knew I was after the giant Yaewin 0 , 0 , 2 . Your log shows none of that, they were together (grouped) and you attacked one so you gets the other. Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . My log literally shows me being attacked by gzarza then followed up by grelly. What more would you like for me to show? I DID NOT INITIATE ANYONE HERE. or did you forget how to read? Scrynor 
1 , 0 , 0 . Mate, you can't throw "did you forget how to read" on a 100 line log. Nobody knows if you cherry picked or not. Paeix 0 , 0 , 0 . okay thats fair....i don't change or alter anything besides combat moves or stuff i do as input commands Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . I more meant without all the movement stuff (that I admittedly do not read) nobody can assess who was following who prior to the attack. From the comments it sounds like you both thought the other was following you and it was all coincidence? I dunno. I just know that it isn't just who landed the first murder.
Yaewin 0 , 0 , 0 . It is so easy to push your buttons muffin man. The character and person behind the curtain act the same way...
[reply to Yaewin]I never think somebody is clipping a log with nefarious intent because that's just crazy town. Who has that kind of time? You could just type of whole fake log if you wanted...
[reply to Kalist19]
In short, Grelly actively got involved in this fight, and from what I understand, paid for it later. Draw your own conclusions if you must, but I don't see Grelly as being passive or innocent here.
Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . I'm not sure I'm following the technical details of what you're saying. I read 2 openers from Gza and Grelly joining in on the first regular combat round just like he would if the player was AFK and in a group. What am I getting wrong? Dogran 
1 , 0 , 0 . You are correct Scrynor, there looks like no murders on Grelly's part, just quick timing of autoassist. You would think if the monk was actively assisting he would you know... dirt, trip, grapple, something... BlackWidow 
0 , 0 , 0 . My point is Paeix probably wouldn't have had time to cast wrath if that sequence of events had been merely automatic assistance in both cases of initiation. But as we don't have a video log there's no way of seeing what truly happened. Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . Does that make sense though? Hope suggesting Paeix edited his own log to weaken his argument that Grelly was aggressive? The far more likely case is just that Gza was trying to open on with murder while Paeix was trying to open with wrath. Grelly is just some dolt (no offense-ish) BlackWidow 
0 , 0 , 0 . PS. I call bullshit on it being merely autoassist at work. Look at this:
BlackWidow 
0 , 0 , 0 . and I failed to show the critical prompt at the end there... It was also evasive:60 Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . Ah, see that is the technical detail I was asking about when I thought (apparently rightly) you were reading something I wasn't reading.
Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . Oh wait that's your second comment. So the second point of reference on the second encounter is also a 60.
[reply to BlackWidow]You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Gzarza!'
Gzarza's flame misses you.
Gzarza's flame DISEMBOWELS you!
Gzarza is in excellent condition.
<715hp 753m 250mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [##########]
c wra
Your heavenly wrath devastates Gzarza!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<715hp 723m 250mv> evasive:58 inferior defensive [##########]
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Grelly!'
[** ] You parry Gzarza's flame.
[** ] Gzarza blocks your attack with his shield.
Grelly's palm strike injures you.
[** ] You parry Grelly's tiger uppercut.
You brace against your armor to perform a two-handed set parry.
[* ] You parry Grelly's lightning kick.
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<699hp 723m 250mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [##########]
Note the timer on the evasive adrenaline here.
Now look at this:
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Gzarza!'
Gzarza's flame MANGLES you!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
<346hp 728m 297mv> evasive:60 inferior defensive [#########=]
fl
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Grelly!'
You brace against your armor to perform a two-handed set parry.
[* ] You parry Gzarza's flame.
[***] You parry Gzarza's flame.
Your thrust DISEMBOWELS Gzarza!
Grelly's back fist devastates you!
Grelly's dragon punch DISEMBOWELS you!
Grelly's roundhouse kick decimates you!
Gzarza has a few scratches.
That doesn't look like autoassist in both cases to me.
I don't know what evasive adrenaline is. What does that mean? It's telling you something about timing outside of regular tick and combat round cadence?
I still don't get it. The first encounter goes 60, 58, 60 and the second encounter goes 60 with no second point of reference? What is that telling you as somebody in-the-know on the ability?
Is that relevant? 60 to 60 is less time elapsed than 60 to 58, right? So you think Grelly did a murder on the second encounter? You don't think that is just a quirk of command input vs tick / round timing?