/@============================================================- | \ | Trilane the Grand Spectre of Beguilement, Knight of Valour, follower of Ceridwel| | Acolyte of Sun, Rank Knight of [KNIGHT] | | You are 19 years old (58 hours, 23h:04m of bloodshed) | | | | Race: Avian Hometown: Valour Health: 720/720 | | Sex: Male Class: Illusionist Mana: 850/917 | | Size: medium Alignment: Good Move: 396/396 | | Age: youthful Ethos: Neutral Degree: 107.5 | \ -------------------------------------------/ | | | Streng: 19 (19+0) Rating: Good Weight: 338/350 | | Intell: 21 (21+0) Level: 50 Pracs: 3 | | Wisdom: 20 (20+0) Exp tnl: 19980 Trains: 0 | | Dexter: 23 (23+0) Guildpoint: 3/3 Items: 36/40 | | Consti: 18 (18+0) Gold: 4930 Wimpy: 0 hp | | Luck: Unfortunate Hunger: [***--] Thirst: [**---] | | | | Condition: In prime health | ------------------------------------------ \ / | | Armor Vs Pierce: 217 Saving Throws | | Hitroll: 47 Vs Bash: 222 Afflictive: 40 | | Damroll: 7 Vs Slash: 211 Maledictive: 52 | | Vs Magic: 160 Mental: 42 | \==========================================================-/ You are affected by the following: Spell: detect invis : lasts for 26 hours Spell: giant strength : modifies strength by 4 for 23 hours Spell: armor : modifies armor class by 20 for 2 hours Zyron tells you 'I will fight where and when I wish, under which circumstances I wish to do so.'
<720hp 850m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Players near you in Arachnos: <PK> Trilane Coccooned
<720hp 850m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] hast mar A marionette is moving more quickly. A marionette helps you perform. A marionette dwarfs everything around him as he grows. You feel more majestic.
<720hp 820m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] c dup An effigy of a marine appears in a bright flash of light! An effigy of a marine looks at you with adoring eyes. An effigy of a marine now follows you.
<720hp 785m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] hast eff An effigy of a marine is moving more quickly. A marionette helps you perform. Your majesty increases. You have become better at grandeur!
<720hp 755m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] c dup An effigy of a marine appears in a bright flash of light! An effigy of a marine looks at you with adoring eyes. An effigy of a marine now follows you.
<720hp 720m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] hast eff An effigy of a marine is moving more quickly. A marionette helps you perform. An effigy of a marine dwarfs everything around him as he grows. Your majesty increases.
<720hp 690m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] who [ Drow ] Caobura the Dishonorable [50 Avian Ill] <PK> [KNIGHT] (Knight) Sir Trilane the Grand Spectre of Beguilement, Knight of Valour [ Pixie ] Gwaghal the Learned of the Fletched Arrow [ Demon ] <PK> [LEGION] Zyron the Grand Master of Seasons [ Minot ] Diph Smuggh the Prelate [ Avian ] <PK> <OATH> Dreish the Ruler of the Dead Players found: 6 [KEEPER] The Balance prevails within the four kingdoms. There are 6 characters on; the most on this past month was 17.
<720hp 690m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where Players near you in Arachnos: <PK> Trilane Coccooned
<720hp 690m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] get tin sack You get a tin canteen from a heavy backpack.
<720hp 723m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] drink tin You drink water from a tin canteen.
<720hp 723m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] drink tin drink tin You drink water from a tin canteen.
<720hp 723m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You drink water from a tin canteen. Your thirst is quenched.
<720hp 723m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where Players near you in Arachnos: <PK> Trilane Coccooned <PK> Zyron On the spider web <<<Uh oh, I am not ready yet, crap.
<720hp 723m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] who [ Drow ] Caobura the Dishonorable [50 Avian Ill] <PK> [KNIGHT] (Knight) Sir Trilane the Grand Spectre of Beguilement, Knight of Valour [ Pixie ] Gwaghal the Learned of the Fletched Arrow [ Demon ] <PK> [LEGION] Zyron the Grand Master of Seasons [ Minot ] Diph Smuggh the Prelate [ Avian ] <PK> <OATH> Dreish the Ruler of the Dead Players found: 6 [KEEPER] The Balance prevails within the four kingdoms. There are 6 characters on; the most on this past month was 17.
<720hp 723m 396mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] e Webby Passage
[Exits: north east south west] Complex strands of tightly-braided spider webs have been woven together into an unusual whip. An earthen spiderlord armor is here. A prong of chitin about the size of a hand lies here. An onyx-black stud ring is here. The young spider is ballooning by you. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 395mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] s s Webbed Entrance
[Exits: north south] The young spider is ballooning by you. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 393mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] s On the spider web
[Exits: north south] An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 392mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] get defender heavy quaf defender On the spider web
[Exits: north south] Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 390mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where You get a Defender potion from a heavy backpack.
<720hp 723m 390mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You quaff a Defender potion. You are surrounded by a white aura.
<720hp 723m 390mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] s e d Players near you in Arachnos: <PK> Trilane On the spider web Zyron walks in.
<720hp 723m 390mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where On the spider web
[Exits: north east west] A stone outcropping with traces of ore is here. You see 2 of a spotted purple pill here. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 388mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You can cast your haste spell again.
<720hp 723m 388mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Up in the tree
[Exits: west down] The hermit sits here on a branch, dangling his bare smelly feet. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: east west up] A small pine tree stands here. This creature looks like a wolf, but its rotten flesh hangs too loosely on its bones. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 385mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
<720hp 723m 385mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] e A small path in the deep, dark forest
[Exits: south west] Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 383mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] s e A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: north east south] A bulbous plant is here. This creature looks like a wolf, but its rotten flesh hangs too loosely on its bones. A large grey wolf is here, glaring hungrily at you. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. The bulbous plant grows larger. Trilane walks in. The bulbous plant grows larger. Trilane walks in. The bulbous plant grows larger. The bulbous plant grows larger.
<720hp 723m 382mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] e A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: east west] Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 380mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: north south west] A small pine tree stands here. This creature looks like a wolf, but its rotten flesh hangs too loosely on its bones. This creature looks like a wolf, but its rotten flesh hangs too loosely on its bones. A large grey wolf is here, glaring hungrily at you. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 379mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] n e Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest <PK> Zyron Up in the tree
<720hp 723m 379mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] e A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: north east south up] A colossal tree blocks the way westwards. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 377mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: east west] A large grey wolf is here, glaring hungrily at you. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 375mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] e e A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: east south west] A small pine tree stands here. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 374mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
[Exits: east west] An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 723m 372mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] prsh A trail through the dense forest
[Exits: east south west] Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 723m 370mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where You surround yourself in a protective shield of magic.
<720hp 678m 370mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] e e where Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane A trail through the dense forest <PK> Zyron A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
<720hp 678m 370mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A trail through the dense forest
[Exits: east west] An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 678m 368mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A trail through the light forest
[Exits: east south west] (Invis) Shargugh the Forest Brownie is here, grinning broadly at you. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 678m 367mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane A trail through the light forest <PK> Zyron A narrow trail through the deep, dark forest
<720hp 678m 367mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] s A small path through the light forest
[Exits: north south] An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in.
<720hp 678m 365mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] s The forest clearing
[Exits: north east west] Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in. An effigy of a marine walks in.
<720hp 678m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] hast self You feel yourself moving more quickly.
<720hp 648m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where
Zyron walks in.
<720hp 648m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Zyron!' You awkwardly parry Zyron's back fist with a loud clang. Zyron's elbow slash maims you! Zyron's jump kick decimates you! Zyron is in excellent condition.
<661hp 648m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane The forest clearing <PK> Zyron The forest clearing Zyron is in excellent condition.
<661hp 648m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A marionette's beating decimates Zyron! A marionette's beating mauls Zyron. Zyron's palm strike injures you. Zyron's palm strike misses you. Zyron's lightning kick mauls you. Your pierce injures Zyron. Your pierce wounds Zyron. Zyron raises his forearm to block your attack. Your pierce grazes Zyron. Zyron has a few scratches.
<627hp 648m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] c dre You failed to dreamstrike Zyron. <<<<< I think he must still be dreamstruck from our opening engagement about ten minutes ago. Zyron has a few scratches.
<627hp 618m 363mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron jumps in the air and thrashes you to the ground! Zyron's air thrash decimates you! Zyron has a few scratches.
<610hp 624m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron's back fist wounds you. Zyron's tiger uppercut MUTILATES you! Zyron's roundhouse kick injures you. Your pierce hits Zyron. Your pierce hits Zyron. Your pierce hits Zyron. A marionette's beating decimates Zyron! A marionette's beating wounds Zyron. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<541hp 624m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] c ter
You feel less wobbly in the air. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<541hp 624m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You lost your concentration. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<541hp 604m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A marionette's beating mauls Zyron. Trilane shatters into tiny fragments of glass. Zyron's dragon punch misses you. You parry Zyron's whirlwind kick. Zyron raises his forearm to block your attack. Your pierce grazes Zyron. Your pierce hits Zyron. Your pierce injures Zyron. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<541hp 604m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] c ter
Zyron returns to his normal size. Zyron crouches and stalks like a leopard. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<541hp 604m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You failed to deceive Zyron. Zyron's half fist punch injures you. Zyron's half fist punch hits you. You parry Zyron's jump kick. Zyron evades your attack and exploits the brief opening. Zyron's leopard paw to the kidney grazes you. Your pierce grazes Zyron. Zyron evades your attack and exploits the brief opening. Zyron's leopard paw to the kidney grazes you. Zyron evades a marionette's attack and exploits the brief opening. Zyron's leopard paw to the kidney hits a marionette. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<499hp 564m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A marionette's beating mauls Zyron. Zyron evades a marionette's attack and exploits the brief opening. Zyron's leopard paw to the kidney hits a marionette. Zyron performs the form, leopard stalks over thin ice! Zyron's elbow smash maims you! Zyron's leopard claw devastates you! You parry Zyron's spin kick. Zyron parries your attack with his first hand. Zyron evades your attack and exploits the brief opening. Zyron's leopard paw to the kidney grazes you. Zyron stumbles and barely dodges your pierce. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<428hp 564m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron stops stalking around. Zyron moves with the speed and agility of the monkey. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<428hp 564m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. You parry Zyron's elbow slash. Zyron's palm strike misses you. You parry Zyron's lightning kick. Zyron performs the form, monkey scratches its head! Zyron's groin strike mauls you. You awkwardly parry Zyron's jump kick with a loud clang. Zyron parries your attack with his first hand. Zyron raises his forearm to block your attack. Your pierce grazes Zyron. Your pierce injures Zyron. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<401hp 564m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] c mis You failed to misguide Zyron. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<401hp 529m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron focuses chii to perform 'monkey clamber'. Zyron jumps onto you and wraps his legs tightly around your waist. Zyron dirty boxes you while close! <<<<<Uh oh.... Zyron's palm strike grazes you. You parry Zyron's jab. You parry Zyron's back fist. Zyron's whirlwind kick injures you. You parry Zyron's jab. You parry Zyron's roundhouse kick. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<378hp 529m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron dirty boxes you while close! Zyron's monkey bite grazes you. Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. Zyron performs the form, monkey scratches its head! Zyron's dragon punch wounds you. You parry Zyron's whirlwind kick. Zyron's palm strike grazes you. Zyron's knee to the groin hits you. Zyron has some small wounds and bruises.
<333hp 529m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A marionette's beating devastates Zyron! Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. You parry Zyron's roundhouse kick. Zyron's tiger uppercut hits you. Zyron's knee to the groin grazes you. Your pierce wounds Zyron. Your pierce injures Zyron. Your pierce hits Zyron. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<298hp 529m 389mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] flee You flee from combat! An intersection in the dense forest
[Exits: east south west] A marionette walks in. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. You carry Zyron along with you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<298hp 529m 387mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane An intersection in the dense forest <PK> Zyron An intersection in the dense forest Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<298hp 529m 387mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron dirty boxes you while close! You parry Zyron's tiger uppercut. Zyron's tiger uppercut hits you. You parry Zyron's dragon punch. Zyron's monkey jump kick hits you. Zyron's tiger uppercut hits you. Zyron's whirlwind kick injures you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<252hp 529m 387mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] flee You flee from combat! An intersection in the dense forest
[Exits: north east south] John the Lumberjack is here, looking for some trees to chop down. A cute grey rabbit is here. A cute grey rabbit is here. Trilane walks in. Trilane walks in. A marionette walks in. You carry Zyron along with you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<252hp 529m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. You parry Zyron's palm strike. Zyron's monkey fist grazes you. Zyron's whirlwind kick injures you. Zyron's tiger uppercut grazes you. Zyron performs the form, monkey scratches its head! Zyron's monkey jump kick hits you. Your pierce injures Zyron. Zyron manages to dodge your pierce with a lot of effort. Your pierce wounds Zyron. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<209hp 529m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] where Players near you in Mystic Forest: <PK> Trilane An intersection in the dense forest <PK> Zyron An intersection in the dense forest Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<209hp 529m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] A healing light surrounds Zyron. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<209hp 529m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] word The world around you begins disintegrating.<<<<Crap, I am screwed and am not gonna make it. Zyron's grapple attempt collides with your protective shield. Zyron's grapple misses you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<209hp 524m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron dirty boxes you while close! The world suddenly regains its normal texture. Zyron's monkey bite scratches you. You awkwardly parry Zyron's jab with a loud clang. Zyron's palm strike scratches you. Zyron's knee to the groin scratches you. Zyron's monkey fist scratches you. Zyron's whirlwind kick grazes you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<188hp 524m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron manages to dodge your pierce with a lot of effort. Zyron parries your attack with his first hand. A marionette's beating devastates Zyron! A marionette's beating maims Zyron! Zyron's dragon punch grazes you. You parry Zyron's back fist. Zyron's palm strike scratches you. Zyron's whirlwind kick grazes you. Zyron's monkey fist scratches you. Zyron's monkey jump kick grazes you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<163hp 524m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] word
You feel less wobbly in the air. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<163hp 524m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] The world around you begins disintegrating. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<163hp 519m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] The world again regains its normal texture. Zyron's tiger uppercut grazes you. Zyron's groin strike grazes you. Zyron's monkey bite grazes you. Zyron's whirlwind kick misses you. Zyron's tiger uppercut grazes you. Zyron's lightning kick scratches you. Zyron dodges your pierce. Zyron parries your attack with his first hand. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<137hp 519m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] Zyron's kick misses you. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<137hp 519m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] flee You feel less wobbly in the air. Zyron has quite a few wounds.
<137hp 519m 386mv 19980tnl> [--------- ] You flee from combat!
<<<<<Whew, safe. I rest up which takes forever cause caster. Then I get properly set up, so I am wearing the right weapon, have all my spells up. He logs out ten seconds before I was about to attack his guild guardian... lolz.
So what are we looking at here? Your 47 hit roll is probably post grandeur so your marines are still level 45 because you didn't have that hit roll when you cast them? Or did you do some gear swapping up get them at 50?
Trying to judge the efficacy of those effaggies. Was that all those rounds without then landing a single hit? They were in the fight and you just don't have blocked attacks being shown, right? Or were they just in the first part and you lost them first flee?
So I hasted the marionette, causing granduer to take my hitroll to 49 and summoned the first marine at 49. Then I hasted it, causing my hitroll to go to 51 so the second effigy was 50. I guess I don't have blocked attacks being shown, how do I change that so they show?
I believe "nodefense" is the toggle to turn on and off seeing blocked attacks.
But wow. So that's a level 49 and a level 50 hosted marine landing 0 attacks? Is something bugged? Were they not fighting or not gettng the upgraded hit rate? That just didn't seem right. That's supposed to be the most dangerous thing in the illusionist kit with very heavy gearing requirements to use not doing anything at all...
Yeah, looking at it again something definitely seems bugged. The marines aren't fighting. We can see Trilane parrying and Zyron raising his forearm to block attacks so it doesn't seem like nodefense is set. Auto assist is on because the marionette is fighting. We don't see marionette getting blocked or missing so maybe it never showed minion non hits? But either way, we can use the success of the marionette as a baseline for a level 50 minion landing attacks. The marines are either not fighting or never landing anything.
Should he have been able to block all my effigies attacks while mounting me and chasing as I flee? Lol. I would think clamber would give up defenses at least against other attackers.
It just looks like a balance tweak thing to me. I looked at Fawn's log which is conveniently also against a monk and it just seems like the misty mirage dependency is currently overtuned to the point of being a binary on off switch against a monk. The core class feature of a class shouldn't flip between 0 damage to majority damage imo, especially when it also already has a full gear set pre req. Imagine iffor an invoker had hellstream do 0 damage unless they have 50 hit roll and a passive spell up. It's just too much.
The monk can freely monkey clamber because he's in no danger.
So first of all I know almost everybody here plays/played an illusionist to level 50 so they should somewhat know what they're talking about. I mean that the opinions given are qualified by experience. You guys are saying unanimously that the damage from duplicates sucks, even with mirage and level 50 dupes, and I understand that would be frustrating. After all, there was a past iteration of illus where the mobs were dirt kicking, bashing, tripping, disarming, everything, and you could group gate them straight to the mob factory (3 rooms from north square). Dupes were totally badass and destructive. However, its still a valid counter-argument that monks have good defences that should matter, and another reason why you'll definitely get responses like that is because the mud is not just illusionist fighting illusionists. There is also "everybody else" who can tell you that grabbing 3 dupes risk-free and then demolishing players through sanc is ultra cheese. For every old timey illusionist player who remembers the days of yore where illusionist purely steamrolled with duplicates and brooms, there's three (or more) players who were in the GROUP that same illusionist easily solo'ed, full looted, ruined their day, and they look at the illusionist class as total fuckin' trash. So we have to have SOME guard rails, otherwise they'll just log off on you. I mean keep arguing the point if you want. But this is something that affects whether people are willing to login or just play when you dont play.
The trade off with clamber is it's only really useable against casters and communers and unless combined with a major cooldown only lasts a few rounds at most. A simple weapon swap makes it a risky maneuver against warrior types.
Aside from healing, and the movement buff that was being discussed (last I heard), monk defenses do seem to make them a bit steep. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like most past monk discussions exclusively revolved around using monk vs Kryton scenarios as some kind of metric for all matchups. Hopefully I'm mistaken though.
What Dav said about illusionists sounds reasonable.
I'm pretty bad about keeping up to date with things sometimes, so if you guys can correct or inform me on anything I say that's inaccurate then it'd be appreciated. Thanks
Trying to judge the efficacy of those effaggies. Was that all those rounds without then landing a single hit? They were in the fight and you just don't have blocked attacks being shown, right? Or were they just in the first part and you lost them first flee?
Trilane 0 , 0 , 0 . So I hasted the marionette, causing granduer to take my hitroll to 49 and summoned the first marine at 49. Then I hasted it, causing my hitroll to go to 51 so the second effigy was 50. I guess I don't have blocked attacks being shown, how do I change that so they show? Mogu 
0 , 0 , 0 . "nodefense" Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . I believe "nodefense" is the toggle to turn on and off seeing blocked attacks.
Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . Yeah, looking at it again something definitely seems bugged. The marines aren't fighting. We can see Trilane parrying and Zyron raising his forearm to block attacks so it doesn't seem like nodefense is set. Auto assist is on because the marionette is fighting. We don't see marionette getting blocked or missing so maybe it never showed minion non hits? But either way, we can use the success of the marionette as a baseline for a level 50 minion landing attacks. The marines are either not fighting or never landing anything. Ashlyn 
0 , 0 , 0 . Monks have superior defenses and mob hitroll isn’t busted like player hitroll? Fawneria 0 , 0 , 0 . Guys guys, this is normal. You should see a slight improvement in misty mirage. Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . I forgot about the new misty mirage dependency!
Fawneria 1 , 0 , 0 . It's a combination of effigy damage and your own damage. Monks defenses are just superior. Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . Seems like the real issue here was the monkey clamber. Trilane 0 , 0 , 0 . Should he have been able to block all my effigies attacks while mounting me and chasing as I flee? Lol. I would think clamber would give up defenses at least against other attackers. Merlandox 
0 , 0 , 0 . What's the issue? Seems to be working as intended as a finishing move. Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 0 . It just looks like a balance tweak thing to me. I looked at Fawn's log which is conveniently also against a monk and it just seems like the misty mirage dependency is currently overtuned to the point of being a binary on off switch against a monk. The core class feature of a class shouldn't flip between 0 damage to majority damage imo, especially when it also already has a full gear set pre req. Imagine iffor an invoker had hellstream do 0 damage unless they have 50 hit roll and a passive spell up. It's just too much.
Davairus 1 , 0 , 0 . So first of all I know almost everybody here plays/played an illusionist to level 50 so they should somewhat know what they're talking about. I mean that the opinions given are qualified by experience. You guys are saying unanimously that the damage from duplicates sucks, even with mirage and level 50 dupes, and I understand that would be frustrating. After all, there was a past iteration of illus where the mobs were dirt kicking, bashing, tripping, disarming, everything, and you could group gate them straight to the mob factory (3 rooms from north square). Dupes were totally badass and destructive. However, its still a valid counter-argument that monks have good defences that should matter, and another reason why you'll definitely get responses like that is because the mud is not just illusionist fighting illusionists. There is also "everybody else" who can tell you that grabbing 3 dupes risk-free and then demolishing players through sanc is ultra cheese. For every old timey illusionist player who remembers the days of yore where illusionist purely steamrolled with duplicates and brooms, there's three (or more) players who were in the GROUP that same illusionist easily solo'ed, full looted, ruined their day, and they look at the illusionist class as total fuckin' trash. So we have to have SOME guard rails, otherwise they'll just log off on you. I mean keep arguing the point if you want. But this is something that affects whether people are willing to login or just play when you dont play. ivindel 
0 , 1 , 1 . Illusionist and monk's defenses OP! remove haste and nerf monk's defenses! Go go~ kappa Ashlyn 
0 , 0 , 0 . The trade off with clamber is it's only really useable against casters and communers and unless combined with a major cooldown only lasts a few rounds at most. A simple weapon swap makes it a risky maneuver against warrior types. Fawneria 0 , 0 , 0 . Not unanimously. I was just telling them it is normal for illusions to not hit the monk, never said it was an issue.
[reply to Scrynor]But wow. So that's a level 49 and a level 50 hosted marine landing 0 attacks? Is something bugged? Were they not fighting or not gettng the upgraded hit rate? That just didn't seem right. That's supposed to be the most dangerous thing in the illusionist kit with very heavy gearing requirements to use not doing anything at all...
But its only a slight improvement? So are effigies just not a very viable damage source? What is the illusionist main damage source then?
The monk can freely monkey clamber because he's in no danger.
Just my opinion though. Could be wrong.
What Dav said about illusionists sounds reasonable.
I'm pretty bad about keeping up to date with things sometimes, so if you guys can correct or inform me on anything I say that's inaccurate then it'd be appreciated. Thanks
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