Moren was born in a rather uneventrul setting. His father a roving
Knight, his mother a noble of Valour. Unfortunatly for Moren, his father
was gone on some crusade when he was born, and his mother died in
childbirth. His father a respectable man, had made arrangements, for his
birth at the monastary, and he was taken care of. He was 10 when he met his
father for the first time, having spent his whole life in the monastary.
The Pious knight was grief stricken to learn that while he was off
crusading, Moren's mother had died. The only shining light remaining was
that he had a son. He was allowed to spend two years with his father who
rested in the Monastary before he was called away again once more to war.
This time his father did not come back, a messenger returning to let Moren
know how his father had died. The seed though, had been planted. He had
been training for years now, and he would join the Order. He would do his
father proud. It was his 16th year before he set out from the Monastary to
begin his training abroad. His story had begun.
This is kind of a rage delete, and kind of not. It just hasn't been there for me. I keep playing Knights over and over again, and That just isn't as much fun as it was. Balan was awesome, I should not of made another knight so soon after him. My tattoo selection sucked so there was that too... Monks have the chance to be invincible in open spaces, but in confines they can get fucked pretty fast.
First of all - zerkers in closed spaces? Brrrr. Scary shit.
Most importantly - sad to see this guy go. I know what it feels like to lose interest, so hopefully you find something cool to move on to. Good luck brosuf.
Yeah you definitely got fucked on that tattoo selection. I honestly don't think monks should ever go offensive empowerment with the one exception being in group warfare where they are not the primary target.
YES! FINALLY! I have the cold hard proof I need that abduct is not just a cheese, and in fact game-breaking problem.
-> It forces player to only one tactic (i.e. whatever their ideal skill to use in this single situation)
-> It often amounts to scissor CRUSH rock (e.g. healer gets fucked over by berserker instead of out lasting)
-> It is so powerful that there only two kinds of people - those that have abduct, and those that lose to it
-> it causes rage delete / rage quits
Did you see the Log? Abduct has its own issues as it is, The berserker lost more than half hp, the monk should have won that fight but Nadrin was being a noob and forgot sanc at the end.
As for Moren, he was awesome in so many aspects. Very devoted to the Knights and mastering his skills. Sad to see him go and I hope you find the joy we all seek on another guy.
The short duration of abduct means you should totally be able to live through it if you're near full health. The classic healer tactic of flee heal has always served to sustain healers through an abduct.
And the penalty for abducting a non-contract is certainly severe enough.
As counter-examples to abduct pwnge: I killed a fully geared monk as a naked monk after getting abducted.
I killed a fire giant zerker as a shaman after being abducted.
Also, clearly abduct was not the main factor in this delete. Nadrin is a solid pk'er who seems to have struggled with the class. I would wager the frustration with getting the hang of monk would have been a bigger factor in the delete.
Imprison is limited to Valour and if you aren't pretty close to health, it blasts you AND they don't get imprisoned.
Abduct simply levels the playing field can be used anywhere, unless they aren't contracted in which case you get a giant boot up the ass before being tossed in.
Having had more then one Knight (cough) I can tell you that imprison isn't as big a bad ass end game as people think. Can't speak too much to abduct, but I do know I've never been killed by a Legionaire by abduct. Always made it out.
Also, are you saying Davo, that this isn't supposed to benefit the person doing the imprison/abducting? Because I kinda thought that was the point. If not, why even have the skills to begin with?
For sure. I meant it when I said I did not like monk. I may play another but it won't be a lighty. Next time I will know what tattoos I want too. I just did not enjoy being a lighty and being stuck with request choices being further limited by light armor types. Monks are buff for sure, but not my cup of tea right now.
As valox, the toughest ones to abduct and kill were healers. Yeah I got a couple kills that way... but 90% of the time the healer would just spam cure critical or flee/heal. That was before the dirt kick going the protective shield change though. So that's a pretty big factor.
No its not the abduct, what the abduct does is fine. Having a skill to whisk people away from their groupmates is pretty much exactly what the Legion cabal needs. The problem lies with the confinement that also occurs with the abduct.
Also not sure whether that cough was aimed for me, but I have had multiple knights, and I've also had multiple squires that weren't Knights, really decent characters that tried to join Knights and failed to get in because there was a much more competitive playing field for that.
This was one of my knights, on this guy my roleplaying kinda sucked
http://www.network54.com/Search/view/109789/1026529679/Whats+that+Gongos%3F++$$?term=%22100T%22&page=103591
These skills were all intended to "balance out" ensnare, which I can see now is just too broke. Reasons already stated.
Level 1: flail 94% bow 91%
spear 94% sword 100%
dodge 100% hand to hand 100%
kick 100% scrolls 75%
staff 95% anatomy 100%
empower 75% meditate 75%
Level 2: beads 75%
Level 3: dirt kicking 100%
Level 4: martial arts b 100% spear hand strike 82%
snake style 100%
Level 5: lore 87%
Level 6: fasting 75%
Level 7: fists of fury 100%
Level 8: fast healing 100% belly bounce 76%
panda style 100%
Level 9: first parry 100%
Level 10: meditation 100%
Level 11: disarm 83% kickboxing b 100%
Level 12: healing 89%
Level 13: iron body 100%
Level 14: sneak 75% crane style 100%
wing buffet 75%
Level 15: trip 100% grapple 100%
Level 16: second parry 100%
Level 17: martial arts a 100% monkey style 100%
Level 18: blind fighting 100%
Level 19: shield disarm 78%
Level 20: nerve 100% mantis style 100%
leopard style 100%
Level 21: double kick 100%
Level 22: sense motion 100%
Level 23: tiger style 100% exploding palm 75%
Level 24: kickboxing a 100%
Level 25: resonating wave 81%
Level 26: acupuncture 79%
Level 27: chii bolt 79%
Level 28: throw 90% air thrash 75%
Level 30: drunken style 100%
Level 32: catalepsy 75%
Level 34: counter 82%
Level 40: transcendence 77%
Level 42: phoenix style 100%
Level 45: dragon style 100%
Level 50: serenity 53%
/@============================================================-
| \
| Moren the Grand Master of Seasons, General of Valour |
| Acolyte of the Order of Spirit |
| Rank General of [KNIGHT], 22 years old (103 hours). |
| |
| Race: Human Hometown: Seringale Health: 661/788 |
| Sex: Male Alignment: Good Mana: 258/699 |
| Class: Monk Ethos: Neutral Move: 394/394 |
\ -------------------------------------------/
| |
| Streng: 20 (20+0) Rating: Good Weight: 83/375 |
| Intell: 20 (20+0) Level: 50 Pracs: 0 |
| Wisdom: 20 (20+0) Exp tnl: 19440 Trains: 0 |
| Dexter: 21 (21+0) Relics: 3990 Items: 15/36 |
| Consti: 20 (19+1) Gold: 5000 Wimpy: 0 hp |
| Luck: Fortuitous Hunger: [***--] Thirst: [***--] |
| |
| Condition: In prime health |
------------------------------------------ \
/ |
| Anatomy: |
| constructs: 100 humanoids : 100 elven : 100 |
| dwarven : 100 aquatics : 0 fey : 100 |
| birds : 7 giants : 100 undead : 100 |
| illithid : 100 dragons : 60 reptiles : 100 |
| beasts : 0 demons : 100 plants : 10 |
| Encumberance: arms legs head torso |
| Armor Vs Pierce: 135 Saving Throws |
| Hitroll: 14 Vs Bash: 134 Afflictive: 40 |
| Damroll: 19 Vs Slash: 134 Maledictive: 44 |
| Vs Magic: 105 Mental: 50 |
\==========================================================-/
[reply to Nadrin]
Most importantly - sad to see this guy go. I know what it feels like to lose interest, so hopefully you find something cool to move on to. Good luck brosuf.
[reply to Faelon]
[reply to Ergorion]
-> It forces player to only one tactic (i.e. whatever their ideal skill to use in this single situation)
-> It often amounts to scissor CRUSH rock (e.g. healer gets fucked over by berserker instead of out lasting)
-> It is so powerful that there only two kinds of people - those that have abduct, and those that lose to it
-> it causes rage delete / rage quits
The same said of ensnare and imprison.
This power is going to mutate very soon
[reply to Davairus]
[reply to Nycticora]
As for Moren, he was awesome in so many aspects. Very devoted to the Knights and mastering his skills. Sad to see him go and I hope you find the joy we all seek on another guy.
[reply to beia]
[reply to Nadrin]
And the penalty for abducting a non-contract is certainly severe enough.
As counter-examples to abduct pwnge: I killed a fully geared monk as a naked monk after getting abducted.
I killed a fire giant zerker as a shaman after being abducted.
The sword goes both ways.
[reply to Ergorion]
[reply to Ergorion]
Imprison is limited to Valour and if you aren't pretty close to health, it blasts you AND they don't get imprisoned.
Abduct simply levels the playing field can be used anywhere, unless they aren't contracted in which case you get a giant boot up the ass before being tossed in.
Having had more then one Knight (cough) I can tell you that imprison isn't as big a bad ass end game as people think. Can't speak too much to abduct, but I do know I've never been killed by a Legionaire by abduct. Always made it out.
Also, are you saying Davo, that this isn't supposed to benefit the person doing the imprison/abducting? Because I kinda thought that was the point. If not, why even have the skills to begin with?
[reply to Faelon]
[reply to Nadrin]
[reply to Xenyar]
Also not sure whether that cough was aimed for me, but I have had multiple knights, and I've also had multiple squires that weren't Knights, really decent characters that tried to join Knights and failed to get in because there was a much more competitive playing field for that.
This was one of my knights, on this guy my roleplaying kinda sucked
http://www.network54.com/Search/view/109789/1026529679/Whats+that+Gongos%3F++$$?term=%22100T%22&page=103591
These skills were all intended to "balance out" ensnare, which I can see now is just too broke. Reasons already stated.
[reply to Davairus]
[reply to Olyn]