The world exists in a precarious balance, one that if lost can cause the
destruction of all life through the rending of existence itself. This truth
among many others was vouchsafed me by the wise old hermit that rescued,
raised, and taught me. He saved me in the beginning, and he saved me in the
end. There are no beginnings and no ends, a trite bit of his wisdom... One
I have yet to validate for myself. But I have learned to visualize the
balance and the various powers that subtly and not-so-subtly alter it
so perhaps this also is true.
Smuggling had always been a lucrative profession in my homeland, Mudfall.
Not inherently dangerous unless you were dishonorable about it, or so I
thought. People of all kinds partook of the lax borders and duties imposed
and others openly flaunted their peddling of the rare, the valuable, unique,
and often magical. The wizards were the worst, giving away powerful weapons
and dangerous fireworks willy-nilly. Considered a youth in the reckoning of
my people, I fancied myself a part-time treasure hunter and archaeologist
and reallocator of sometimes preowned artifacts. In the time-honored ways
of my people, I made a sliver of a living off of those that smuggled while
not partaking myself. While not alluding to any incriminating situation
this eventually landed me in a spot of trouble, to be rescued by an unlikely
hero; A wizened old man with a freaky looking topknot!
He admonished me for my slick-fingered ways, and demanded I redress the
karmic imbalance caused by the same. In my opinion he was looking for
free labor that amounted to indentured servitude. Carry the jugs of water,
sweep the ground, separate the sand from the rice, paint the walls, chop the
firewood, fold the laundry, beat the sheets clean. All very physically
intensive tasks for my previously dainty self. When I finally snapped, he
put me in my place with a simple neck pinch. There are no beginnings, but it
was a beginning....
Description:
A diminutive, slender woman is here before you accompanies by the
faint tinkling of bells. They are strung throughout the two elaborately
tied blonde braids that trail from either side of her head. Her mature
looking face strongly contrasts the child-like appearance of her body.
It is small and fit with elegant lines and lithe musculature. Her azure
gaze contemplates the world with equanimity from within a pale, fair
face. Her ivory unblemished skin is comparable to that of a porcelain
doll, save for the scars marring her disproportionately large hands
and feet. She bears a tattoo of the manifestation of the yin and the
yang as well as a multihued rainbow butterfly on her exposed ankles.
It feels like many people delete due to changes which affect their characters without trying to adapt... Or better yet, beckon in the change they wish to happen when they don't like something. I don't know what the internal Keeper politics were, but you had a lot more life left in you.
It makes me smile seeing that I was your nemesis instead of a Legion member.
Merry Christmas!
Davairus
1 , 0 , 0 .
No changes have been made yet. I was going to wait for this character to delete first.
Thanks for sticking out so many fights where the odds were steeply against you, keeping your chin up and persevering to fight another day. You were a genuine pleasure to fight.
I have a singular goal on all of the characters I make, I wasn't going to be able to achieve it on this one. I was going to delete a week ago but decided to see if I could make it fun for me to continue. The situation the character was put in was laughably bad being forced into horribly disadvantaged fights and I won't complain about the specifics here. Historically i've always been the punching bag that doesn't back down and to a point it can be fun to engage in it and it actually helps me improve.
The coming changes you allude to Afales wouldn't really affect me one way or another. But the observations that led to them kind of put an asterisk on this character. Changes that significantly impact my characters are really nothing new. For example when I was a healer and consistently looting the legion's item solo against opponents it was changed and made nearly impossible to do it solo, even though healers are designed to be an unlaggable damage sponge with pathetic offense. Heavens gate points I used getting blocked, then heavens gate getting nerfed to the point that its borderline useless(you have a golden road to you, have to have max divine power, have a serious windup time). Then as a monk healing getting nerfed etc. Balancing is part of the game. I don't envy Dav his job of being responsible for it. Keeper Taiji accumulation being an issue is just a very minor thing but people complaining that recovering too quick is such a petty complaint that it took the second wind out of my sails. These things do take the fun down a notch and sometimes its hard not to take it personally.
Aww. It's been tough i understand. I actually wanted to avoid fighting you the second time but it ended up how it is. But hey i left you your gear so it wouldn't be so painful. Better luck with your next!
Davairus
0 , 0 , 0 .
There's honestly a lot more to this but since the character is deleted, we should probably focus on the character and not the issue in the other thread. So as far as AMANTHI is concerned, F Amanthi for saccing weapons after duels. That was frustrating for the Warlords. It was done repeatedly. I felt it was anti-fairness because Amanthi had won the duels anyway and then decided to delete the loser's weapon for the balance. Maybe we need a basic duel etiquette guide? As far as KEEPERS is concerned, maybe its time for Keepers to explore the balance deeper than just saccing rare stuff for TJs' and spam gambling for a few hours. As far as ASHLYN is concerned, good player making the best of things in a bad cabal, same as every Keeper ever.
Scrynor
0 , 0 , 1 .
Isn't that fully in control of the Warlords though? It's their duel system. Just dictate to warlords to anti prescribed rares for saccing with keepers before dueling them and then if they break those terms it's a death mark. Doesn't that just handle the issue better the two cabals?
Davairus
0 , 0 , 0 .
that is what I meant by “basic duel etiquette guide” yes
Ashlyn
1 , 0 , 0 .
Afales is really the only one who accepted the duels to the death, the others either preempted me with a stun challenge or declined the death duel. It was pretty manly, I swooned a bit until the response after the second time cost him some points. Then he turned it around for the third match and made an epic showing. Sending a unique back into circulation (Sword of Seasons) seemed like a Keeper thing to do. The third time was not really necessary but I established a pattern by then. Had I any other victories I would have done the same. Just feels bad because I didn't. Nemesis fits really well especially after the verbal lashing and the sarcasting notes and then the almost comback.
First of all, I was happy to not be thoroughly looted the first time, since one of the other Keepers more or less said after the fact that their conflict with me ended after Amanthi killed me in our first duel. I had intruded on them (no thanks to Jinzo feeding me information of questionable truth and value) and if anything, losing Xel Morak that time was something I saw as a *kindness* because my gear was left reasonably intact.
Second, Xel Morak is incredibly easy to obtain if it is in; Amanthi sacrificing it twice only served to prevent others from taking it temporarily before I reclaimed it.
Third, Scrynor is right. Unless I explicitly call out looting terms before the duel begins and my opponent agrees to them verbally, they're technically not breaking the terms of the duel if they loot after a duel to the death.
Finally: as far as I was concerned the loss of one weapon was fair; I would've taken a trophy if I won so I considered it an equivalent of spoils for the victor when it was only one weapon. Frustrating sure, but I didn't explicitly call out against it.
PS. Although I was getting very tired of dealing with Amanthi constantly wanting to fight me (it felt basically like she was equivalent to one of those middle-school bullies who got in trouble with the high-school bullies based on how much she seemed more willing to pick on me than fight Legion when she couldn't seem to handle them), I eventually recognized that I had to deal with her whether or not I wanted to.
I thought I was looking at the next leader of the Keepers... Someone once asked, why are we fighting with one another when Legion is so dominant? I had no real good answer that could be explained OOC. But, let's just say there was IC stuff involved and I invite anyone who is not playing to join in the fun and see what's actually going on in game.
Ashlyn
1 , 0 , 1 .
Its hilarious when people ask that and they aren't willing to take up the fight. Even you questioned me on that after I gave you a shot to join me and you turned me down. Better to ignore that noise. I didn't duck any fights while I was geared and had consumables.
Ozaru
2 , 0 , 3 .
The fuck are you challenging people to a duel to the death as a keeper. Deaths swing the pendulum, so you are killing a warlord/strife member for no fucking reason. To be honest your delete is the mark of a coward when you have an active cabal thats a threat.
Did you even read what I wrote? I literally just said why I didn't join you. You were acting like a playground bully and I wasn't going to get my hands dirty on your account when you were suddenly in trouble. Plus, Bonfo was online at the time so I would've been giving you a numerical advantage in your fight. That's not how the Warlords operate. People seem to forget that each cabal lives under a different set of rules. In the case of the Warlords, they place their code of conduct above all other standards.
One of the core things a Warlord cares about is equity. He or she treats others as they've been treated while staying true to the code (which means dishonorable opponents are treated with contempt but that does not give the Warlord a reason to stoop down to their level). Fighting with a numerical advantage is not acceptable because a Warlord who does this is not displaying equity within his or her actions.
So no, I sure as hell wasn't going to turn a 2v2 (with Bonfo) into a 3v2...!
Davarius said "As far as KEEPERS is concerned, maybe its time for Keepers to explore the balance deeper than just saccing rare stuff for TJs' and spam gambling for a few hours."
Any further hints on this please? Is there a game mechanic we are missing or do you have an idea for the direction Keepers should be taking RP wise? Genuinely interested.
Davairus
0 , 0 , 0 .
I liked what Arunore wrote . It fits well with what I would give as idea of direction. Of course I have ideas, but other ideas should be tried too. My ideas were generation #1 Keepers and obviously they're long thrown out, but what I did was basically setup a cabal of assassins that went after eq hogs.
lionSpyre
0 , 0 , 0 .
Maybe we’re getting off GY territory here and this should be moved to the forum, but since the conversation is going here…
Gameplay-wise, what does an anti-civilization cabal look like? Are they purposefully picking fights with Justice? I guess it makes a certain amount of sense if all your gear is rot death to begin with (although can they gamble in the keeper market if they take the flag?). Are they picking fights with the Consortium, since scholarly organizations are a natural byproduct civilization?
Given the different ways that taijis can now be farmed (thanks for the update, Davairus), there actually seems to be very little stopping a player from rolling a keeper with this exact RP. They’d just need the clear from the immortal leader of Keeper to play it from this angle (Phostan, atm?). Keeper powers are also still tuned to the idea of battling threats, but I’m just making the observation that the transition to an anti-civilization cabal seems much easier now than it did a few months ago.
Don’t get me wrong, this still seems like a very difficult way to play this game. I still think dealing with mostly rot death armor is just a rough way to live. But it seems like a few minor tweaks could set Keepers on a path people seem genuinely excited about.
Davairus
2 , 0 , 0 .
I don't want to throw loads of effort at thinking about Keeper because it'll end up frustrating me to spend time on it without actually addressing anything, and anyway is Phostan's project for now. So this is hypothetical, "if it were my circus" stuff, which it isnt. what i would do is :
1) limit that cabal's attention to the main cabal triangle of Knight/Legion/Justice. clearly there is no reason to go after the consortium at all, and also unproductive for a bunch of "anti-civ" neutrals to pick fights with the one cabal that is uncivilized and not aggressive. I think the goal would not be to to destroy those cabals completely, (i.e. held to the strict definition of the word "anti"), but to instead control the balance of power between them so that fighting isnt spilling over. in practice I think what we want to see is just that we don't end up with one side just going 10-0 for month after month.. not an attempt to exterminate all cabals. or especially just be like "We're the chaotic cabal now". what would be even better is if Keepers also aided the weaker side to re-establish equilibrium also.... that could actually be constructive purpose and help get more activity at 50
2) As for other "balance depth", we could move them away from focusing on individual rares, maybe instead address item alignment. maybe they'll sac the weeping blade because there are too many evil weapons circulating in the realm already. do that instead of just thoughtlessly saccing everything. I think most peopel can tell you that Keepers saccing the captains of solace's gear over and over was not at all considerate for the Knights that sorely needed to request it for their battles with Legion. Does that make sense or need me to elaborate? Btw I know that is not possible with current technology available to Keepers
Point 1 is exactly what I thought Keepers were about anyways and exactly why I joined. Its all about keeping the pendulum in balance. Point 2 should make sense to anyone who gives half a shit about the RP encouraged aspect of the mud.
At this point I second the motion to move this to the forums and will do so shortly.
Amanthi, you were doing good not that you need me to tell you. Logs, activity, PK skill, I can't speak for the RP because I haven't played since I deleted Quivadne.
I never thought of saccing my own Keeper duds as a bug though, that one is one of those blurry methods that may seem too good to be true, but also feels like it is a large oversight on the person who changed sacrificial cabal relics into a thing. It never crossed my mind and even with a Bard of 56 damroll, and maybe 24ish hitroll, I couldn't touch Kryton.
Kryton's the man though, but I say this because I'm one of the Keepers on top of a large pile of Keepers that didn't matter. The Cabal needs revamped, Watcher anti-civilization RP fits perfectly. Right now every Keeper myself once included are still trying to figure it out. Players can only bring in so much change, like trying to make Mystics a cabal again to war with Warlords. Haters gonna hate, and Tom Cruise believes in scientology.
Also, the field mouse is fast, but the owl sees at night.
Legion, I got a feeling your whole family is going down, but first, I gotta study.
Arunore
0 , 0 , 0 .
Amanthi shouldn't have to delete to get change. Rogue adrenaline sucks now, and I'm going to destroy the top 5...scholars
It made a lot of sense to me for Warlords to pick up the task of taking down the big bads and assuming dominance as a cabal. I never really saw a place for keepers other than the loot redistributors but I tried my best to do better. It’ll take a top tier pker to make the impact necessary to make a place for keepers. There’s only been one or two of those in the last few years and they didn’t really indicate IC any direction for the cabal.
As far as Amanthi goes, they were in a rough situation this last while getting muscled on by Legion, and the the other Keepers being inactive, or unable to do much to help. I kind of felt inclined to roll a Keeper to help out, but I'm dogshit at playing mortals, and inducting my own guy feels kind of narcissistic so I didn't.
And not to hijack Ashlyn's GY thread too much, but there is stuff with Keeper coming down the pipe, we scattered a few tidbits in game to tease it, unsure if many of you noticed them. Whether it puts Keepers in a state where they can function competitively or not, we'll have to see. Thanks for giving it your best Ashlyn, I know it was pretty unpleasant the last few weeks.
Xenyar
3 , 0 , 0 .
" or unable to do much to help."
Call me old school or crazy, but if you have a cabal flag next to your name, then there is no sitting on the sidelines during cabal warfare.
Phostan
0 , 0 , 0 .
I'm not sure how to respond to that Xenyar, without throwing unintentional shade at people. Someone wanted to be in Keepers for a long time before I took over, and to me, it's like when a sports team signs a 1 day contract with a retiring player so they can retire under a jersey of a team they have the most memories of. I'd also point out spice does a hell of a job of negating any chance a thief has of competing versus pure melee classes. Any further discussion regarding your thoughts about the matter would have to be discussed privately I think.
Merlandox
0 , 0 , 0 .
What is spice?
Phostan
0 , 0 , 0 .
It's the part of life that makes life worth living. The "spice", how do you not know that.
Davairus
0 , 0 , 0 .
check out the seringale black market merlandox. it deserves a helpfile if it hasnt got one already ( i think it does).
It feels like many people delete due to changes which affect their characters without trying to adapt... Or better yet, beckon in the change they wish to happen when they don't like something. I don't know what the internal Keeper politics were, but you had a lot more life left in you.
It makes me smile seeing that I was your nemesis instead of a Legion member.
Merry Christmas!
Davairus 1 , 0 , 0 . No changes have been made yet. I was going to wait for this character to delete first.
[reply to Afales][reply to Zyron]
The coming changes you allude to Afales wouldn't really affect me one way or another. But the observations that led to them kind of put an asterisk on this character. Changes that significantly impact my characters are really nothing new. For example when I was a healer and consistently looting the legion's item solo against opponents it was changed and made nearly impossible to do it solo, even though healers are designed to be an unlaggable damage sponge with pathetic offense. Heavens gate points I used getting blocked, then heavens gate getting nerfed to the point that its borderline useless(you have a golden road to you, have to have max divine power, have a serious windup time). Then as a monk healing getting nerfed etc. Balancing is part of the game. I don't envy Dav his job of being responsible for it. Keeper Taiji accumulation being an issue is just a very minor thing but people complaining that recovering too quick is such a petty complaint that it took the second wind out of my sails. These things do take the fun down a notch and sometimes its hard not to take it personally.
Fawneria 0 , 0 , 0 . Aww. It's been tough i understand. I actually wanted to avoid fighting you the second time but it ended up how it is. But hey i left you your gear so it wouldn't be so painful. Better luck with your next! Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . There's honestly a lot more to this but since the character is deleted, we should probably focus on the character and not the issue in the other thread. So as far as AMANTHI is concerned, F Amanthi for saccing weapons after duels. That was frustrating for the Warlords. It was done repeatedly. I felt it was anti-fairness because Amanthi had won the duels anyway and then decided to delete the loser's weapon for the balance. Maybe we need a basic duel etiquette guide? As far as KEEPERS is concerned, maybe its time for Keepers to explore the balance deeper than just saccing rare stuff for TJs' and spam gambling for a few hours. As far as ASHLYN is concerned, good player making the best of things in a bad cabal, same as every Keeper ever. Scrynor 
0 , 0 , 1 . Isn't that fully in control of the Warlords though? It's their duel system. Just dictate to warlords to anti prescribed rares for saccing with keepers before dueling them and then if they break those terms it's a death mark. Doesn't that just handle the issue better the two cabals? Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . that is what I meant by “basic duel etiquette guide” yes Ashlyn 
1 , 0 , 0 . Afales is really the only one who accepted the duels to the death, the others either preempted me with a stun challenge or declined the death duel. It was pretty manly, I swooned a bit until the response after the second time cost him some points. Then he turned it around for the third match and made an epic showing. Sending a unique back into circulation (Sword of Seasons) seemed like a Keeper thing to do. The third time was not really necessary but I established a pattern by then. Had I any other victories I would have done the same. Just feels bad because I didn't. Nemesis fits really well especially after the verbal lashing and the sarcasting notes and then the almost comback. Afales 0 , 0 , 0 . With regards to the sacced weapons:
Afales 0 , 0 , 0 . PS. Although I was getting very tired of dealing with Amanthi constantly wanting to fight me (it felt basically like she was equivalent to one of those middle-school bullies who got in trouble with the high-school bullies based on how much she seemed more willing to pick on me than fight Legion when she couldn't seem to handle them), I eventually recognized that I had to deal with her whether or not I wanted to.
Ashlyn 
1 , 0 , 1 . Its hilarious when people ask that and they aren't willing to take up the fight. Even you questioned me on that after I gave you a shot to join me and you turned me down. Better to ignore that noise. I didn't duck any fights while I was geared and had consumables. Ozaru 
2 , 0 , 3 . The fuck are you challenging people to a duel to the death as a keeper. Deaths swing the pendulum, so you are killing a warlord/strife member for no fucking reason. To be honest your delete is the mark of a coward when you have an active cabal thats a threat. Afales 0 , 0 , 0 . "I gave you a shot to join me"
Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . Lets not let things get out of hand.
[reply to Ashlyn]First of all, I was happy to not be thoroughly looted the first time, since one of the other Keepers more or less said after the fact that their conflict with me ended after Amanthi killed me in our first duel. I had intruded on them (no thanks to Jinzo feeding me information of questionable truth and value) and if anything, losing Xel Morak that time was something I saw as a *kindness* because my gear was left reasonably intact.
Second, Xel Morak is incredibly easy to obtain if it is in; Amanthi sacrificing it twice only served to prevent others from taking it temporarily before I reclaimed it.
Third, Scrynor is right. Unless I explicitly call out looting terms before the duel begins and my opponent agrees to them verbally, they're technically not breaking the terms of the duel if they loot after a duel to the death.
Finally: as far as I was concerned the loss of one weapon was fair; I would've taken a trophy if I won so I considered it an equivalent of spoils for the victor when it was only one weapon. Frustrating sure, but I didn't explicitly call out against it.
I thought I was looking at the next leader of the Keepers... Someone once asked, why are we fighting with one another when Legion is so dominant? I had no real good answer that could be explained OOC. But, let's just say there was IC stuff involved and I invite anyone who is not playing to join in the fun and see what's actually going on in game.
Did you even read what I wrote? I literally just said why I didn't join you. You were acting like a playground bully and I wasn't going to get my hands dirty on your account when you were suddenly in trouble. Plus, Bonfo was online at the time so I would've been giving you a numerical advantage in your fight. That's not how the Warlords operate. People seem to forget that each cabal lives under a different set of rules. In the case of the Warlords, they place their code of conduct above all other standards.
One of the core things a Warlord cares about is equity. He or she treats others as they've been treated while staying true to the code (which means dishonorable opponents are treated with contempt but that does not give the Warlord a reason to stoop down to their level). Fighting with a numerical advantage is not acceptable because a Warlord who does this is not displaying equity within his or her actions.
So no, I sure as hell wasn't going to turn a 2v2 (with Bonfo) into a 3v2...!
[reply to Mogu]
Any further hints on this please? Is there a game mechanic we are missing or do you have an idea for the direction Keepers should be taking RP wise? Genuinely interested.
Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . I liked what Arunore wrote . It fits well with what I would give as idea of direction. Of course I have ideas, but other ideas should be tried too. My ideas were generation #1 Keepers and obviously they're long thrown out, but what I did was basically setup a cabal of assassins that went after eq hogs. lionSpyre 
0 , 0 , 0 . Maybe we’re getting off GY territory here and this should be moved to the forum, but since the conversation is going here…
Davairus 2 , 0 , 0 . I don't want to throw loads of effort at thinking about Keeper because it'll end up frustrating me to spend time on it without actually addressing anything, and anyway is Phostan's project for now. So this is hypothetical, "if it were my circus" stuff, which it isnt. what i would do is :
Seyvv 0 , 0 , 0 . Thank you for the thoughtful response, Davarius.
[reply to Seyvv]Gameplay-wise, what does an anti-civilization cabal look like? Are they purposefully picking fights with Justice? I guess it makes a certain amount of sense if all your gear is rot death to begin with (although can they gamble in the keeper market if they take the flag?). Are they picking fights with the Consortium, since scholarly organizations are a natural byproduct civilization?
Given the different ways that taijis can now be farmed (thanks for the update, Davairus), there actually seems to be very little stopping a player from rolling a keeper with this exact RP. They’d just need the clear from the immortal leader of Keeper to play it from this angle (Phostan, atm?). Keeper powers are also still tuned to the idea of battling threats, but I’m just making the observation that the transition to an anti-civilization cabal seems much easier now than it did a few months ago.
Don’t get me wrong, this still seems like a very difficult way to play this game. I still think dealing with mostly rot death armor is just a rough way to live. But it seems like a few minor tweaks could set Keepers on a path people seem genuinely excited about.
1) limit that cabal's attention to the main cabal triangle of Knight/Legion/Justice. clearly there is no reason to go after the consortium at all, and also unproductive for a bunch of "anti-civ" neutrals to pick fights with the one cabal that is uncivilized and not aggressive. I think the goal would not be to to destroy those cabals completely, (i.e. held to the strict definition of the word "anti"), but to instead control the balance of power between them so that fighting isnt spilling over. in practice I think what we want to see is just that we don't end up with one side just going 10-0 for month after month.. not an attempt to exterminate all cabals. or especially just be like "We're the chaotic cabal now". what would be even better is if Keepers also aided the weaker side to re-establish equilibrium also.... that could actually be constructive purpose and help get more activity at 50
2) As for other "balance depth", we could move them away from focusing on individual rares, maybe instead address item alignment. maybe they'll sac the weeping blade because there are too many evil weapons circulating in the realm already. do that instead of just thoughtlessly saccing everything. I think most peopel can tell you that Keepers saccing the captains of solace's gear over and over was not at all considerate for the Knights that sorely needed to request it for their battles with Legion. Does that make sense or need me to elaborate? Btw I know that is not possible with current technology available to Keepers
Point 1 is exactly what I thought Keepers were about anyways and exactly why I joined. Its all about keeping the pendulum in balance. Point 2 should make sense to anyone who gives half a shit about the RP encouraged aspect of the mud.
At this point I second the motion to move this to the forums and will do so shortly.
I never thought of saccing my own Keeper duds as a bug though, that one is one of those blurry methods that may seem too good to be true, but also feels like it is a large oversight on the person who changed sacrificial cabal relics into a thing. It never crossed my mind and even with a Bard of 56 damroll, and maybe 24ish hitroll, I couldn't touch Kryton.
Kryton's the man though, but I say this because I'm one of the Keepers on top of a large pile of Keepers that didn't matter. The Cabal needs revamped, Watcher anti-civilization RP fits perfectly. Right now every Keeper myself once included are still trying to figure it out. Players can only bring in so much change, like trying to make Mystics a cabal again to war with Warlords. Haters gonna hate, and Tom Cruise believes in scientology.
Also, the field mouse is fast, but the owl sees at night.
Legion, I got a feeling your whole family is going down, but first, I gotta study.
Arunore 
0 , 0 , 0 . Amanthi shouldn't have to delete to get change. Rogue adrenaline sucks now, and I'm going to destroy the top 5...scholars
[reply to Arunore][reply to Ashlyn]
And not to hijack Ashlyn's GY thread too much, but there is stuff with Keeper coming down the pipe, we scattered a few tidbits in game to tease it, unsure if many of you noticed them. Whether it puts Keepers in a state where they can function competitively or not, we'll have to see. Thanks for giving it your best Ashlyn, I know it was pretty unpleasant the last few weeks.
Xenyar 
3 , 0 , 0 . " or unable to do much to help." Phostan 
0 , 0 , 0 . I'm not sure how to respond to that Xenyar, without throwing unintentional shade at people. Someone wanted to be in Keepers for a long time before I took over, and to me, it's like when a sports team signs a 1 day contract with a retiring player so they can retire under a jersey of a team they have the most memories of. I'd also point out spice does a hell of a job of negating any chance a thief has of competing versus pure melee classes. Any further discussion regarding your thoughts about the matter would have to be discussed privately I think. Merlandox 
0 , 0 , 0 . What is spice? Phostan 
0 , 0 , 0 . It's the part of life that makes life worth living. The "spice", how do you not know that. Davairus 0 , 0 , 0 . check out the seringale black market merlandox. it deserves a helpfile if it hasnt got one already ( i think it does).
[reply to Phostan]Call me old school or crazy, but if you have a cabal flag next to your name, then there is no sitting on the sidelines during cabal warfare.